See also
Husband:
Arthur Payne (1886- )
Wife:
Edith Emily Cope (1885-1929)
Children:
Marriage:
16 May 1908
Name:
Sex:
Male
Father:
Mother:
Occupation:
Birth:
30 Sep 1886
Baptism:
12 Jun 1887 (age 0)
St. Peter's Church, Church Lane, Great Livermere, Suffolk, England4
son of Alfred Payne (carpenter) and Cecilia of Great Livermere, baptised with brother Oliver
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 4)
Carpenter House, Lackford Green, Lackford, Suffolk, England8
son living with his parents Alfred and Cecilia, sisters Augusta, Minnie and Alice, and brother Ernest. Born in Livermere Suffolk
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 14)
3 Stockwell Lane, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5
son working as an auctioneers clerk and living with his parents Alfred and Cecilia, sister Alice, and cousin Alfred W Payne. Born in Livermere Suffolk
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 25)
married head of the household working as a wood joiner and living in two rooms with his wife Edith, born on Livermere Bury St. Edmunds West Suffolk
Military Service:
frm 21 Sep 1917 to 1 May 1919 (age 30-32)
Royal Air Force as no:971862
actually entered the Royal Flying Corps and transferred to the RAF when it was formed on 1st April 1918. A carpenter and joiner who was born in 1887 and married Edith on 16th May 1908 in Stoke Newington. He was 5' 6" tall with a chest of 32½" and transferred to the RAF Reserve in 1919, being discharged on 30th April 1920
Census:
29 Sep 1939 (age 52)
11 Lowden Road, Edmonton, Middlesex, England7
a widowed carpenter and joiner living alone. Born on 30th September 1886
Name:
Sex:
Female
Father:
-
Mother:
-
Birth:
Q3 1885
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 25)
31 Jenner Road, Stoke Newington, London, England6
married wife living in two rooms with her husband Arthur. Born in Cheshunt Hertfordshire and married for three years and without children
Death:
Q2 1929 (age 42)
Edmonton "Registration District", Middlesex, England10
Son: Norman Ashley Payne
Name:
Norman Ashley Payne13
Sex:
Male
Spouse:
Occupation:
warehouseman14
Birth:
9 Apr 1916
Census:
29 Sep 1939 (age 23)
296 Hertford Road, Edmonton, Middlesex, England14
an unmarried grocers warehouseman living with widowed Rose Box. Born on 9th April 1916
Death:
21 Sep 1944 (age 28)15
War Memorial:
Kranji War Cemetery, Woodlands Road, Singapore15
no:10531905 of the Royal Army Ordnance Corps 4th Ordnance Stores Coy. died 21st September 1944 aged 28, son of Arthur and Emily Payne; husband of Ellen Maud Payne of Edmonton Middlesex
Probate:
22 Jun 1946
Probate Registry, London, England16
of 296 Hertford Road Edmonton London died on or since 21st September 1944 on war service, probate of effects of £307 10s 7d (~£11,000 in 2017) to Ellen Maud Payne widow
Unsure when Arthur died as there are many possibilities
England and Wales Marriage Index 1837 - 2005, (on-line at www.ancestry.co.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk). Hackney 1908 quarter:2 volume:1b page:944. Cit. Date: 10 January 2022.
FindMyPast British Royal Air Force, Airmen's service records 1912-1939, (on-line at www.findmypast. co.uk). national Archive ref:AIR 79/881 no:97186. Cit. Date: 10 January 2022.
England and Wales Birth Index 1837 - 2021, (on-line at www.gro.gov.uk, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk). Thingoe 1886 quarter:4 volume:4a page:686. Cit. Date: 9 January 2022.
Suffolk Family History Society All Baptisms Suffolk 1813-1900, (SFK-BPI/P1-1 own copy). Great Livermere St. Peter baptisms entry:645. Cit. Date: 27 July 2023.
England and Wales Census 1901, (on-line at www.ancestry.co.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk). National Archive reference:RG13 piece:1278 folio:107 page:7 schedule:35. Cit. Date: 10 January 2022.
England and Wales Census 1911, (on-line at www.ancestry.co.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk). National Archive reference:RG14 piece:1059 class:RG78 piece:35 registration district:11 sub-district:2 enumeration district:26 schedule:44. Cit. Date: 10 January 2022.
UK 1939 Register, (on-line at www.findmypast.co.uk). National Archive reference:RG101 piece:0741E page:9 line:32 letter code:BDEE. Cit. Date: 12 January 2022.
England and Wales Census 1891, (on-line at www.ancestry.co.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk). National Archive reference:RG12 piece:1448 folio:58 page:4 schedule:19. Cit. Date: 10 January 2022.
England and Wales Birth Index 1837 - 2021, (on-line at www.gro.gov.uk, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk). Edmonton 1885 quarter:3 volume:3a page:391. Cit. Date: 10 January 2022.
England and Wales Death Index 1837 - 2021, (on-line at www.gro.gov.uk, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk). Edmonton 1929 quarter:2 volume:3a page:614. Cit. Date: 11 January 2022.
England and Wales Birth Index 1837 - 2021, (on-line at www.gro.gov.uk, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk). Hackney 1911 quarter:3 volume:1b page:769. Cit. Date: 11 January 2022.
Ancestry Family Trees, (on-line at www.ancestry.co.uk). Flook Family Tree by lizengland70. Cit. Date: 12 January 2022.
England and Wales Birth Index 1837 - 2021, (on-line at www.gro.gov.uk, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk). Edmonton 1916 quarter:2 volume:3a page:1221. Cit. Date: 11 January 2022.
UK 1939 Register, (on-line at www.findmypast.co.uk). National Archive reference:RG101 piece:0741E page:18 line:7 letter code:BDEE. Cit. Date: 11 January 2022.
Commonwealth War Grave Commission, (on-line at www.cwgc.org). Singapore Memorial column:110. Cit. Date: 11 January 2022.
UK Government Probate Service, UK Government Find a Will, (on-line at www.probatesearch.service.gov.uk, www.ancestry.co.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk). London 1946 page:326. Cit. Date: 11 January 2022.