See also
Husband:
Alfred Elgar (1847?-1922)
Wife:
Eva Rose Joynt (1859-1943)
Children:
Marriage:
29 Apr 1880
Our Immaculate Lady of Victories Church, Clapham Park Road, Clapham, Surrey, England1 2
Eva as Eram Rosam Joynt, both of 25 Cedars Row Wandsworth Road, groom's father Francisci Ansell Elgar, bride's father Evan Dunham Joynt. Witnessed by Evan Dunham Joynt and Maria Louisa Joynt
Name:
Sex:
Male
Father:
-
Mother:
-
Occupation:
Birth:
1847 (app)
Census:
3 Apr 1881 (age 34)
Wine Stores, 11 Cedar Row, Clapham, Surrey, England4
married son-in-law living with his in-laws Evan and Annette Joynt, sister-in-law Annette Joynt, wife Eva, son Francis Elgar, and a servant. Born in Portsmouth Hampshire
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 44)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
married lodger working as a naval architect and living with his in-laws Evans and Annette Joynt, sister-in-law Annette, his wife Eva, sons Francis, Alfred and Reginald, and daughters Hilda and Annette. Born in Portsmouth Hampshire
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 54)
13 Lyham Road, Brixton, London, England6
married head of the household working as a naval architect and living in a shared house of four rooms with his wife Eva and daughter Hilda. Born in Portsmouth Portsea
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 64)
92 Englewood Road, Clapham, London, England7
married head of the household working as a naval architect and living in seven rooms with his son Alfred, son-in-law Clarence Adolphe Elen, daughter Hilda Mary and granddaughter Iris. Born in Portsmouth and married for thirty-three years with five children, all of whom are still living
Death:
Q3 1922 (age 75)
Wandsworth "Registration District", London, England3
Name:
Eva Rose Joynt8
Sex:
Female
Father:
Mother:
Occupation:
nurse6
Birth:
24 Dec 1859
1939 register says born on 24th December 1861
Census:
7 Apr 1861 (age 1)
The Eagle, Victoria Road, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England9
daughter aged 1, living with parents, a sibling and a servant. Born in Hamth, Middlesex
Census:
2 Apr 1871 (age 11)
Bridge Road, East Molesey, Surrey, England12
daughter aged 11, attending school and living with parents and a sibling. Born in Hammersmith, Middlesex
Census:
3 Apr 1881 (age 21)
Wine Stores, 11 Cedar Row, Clapham, Surrey, England4
married daughter living with her parents Evan and Annette, sister Annette, husband Alfred Elgar, son Francis Elgar, and a servant. Born in Hammersmith Middlesex
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 31)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
married lodgers wife and living with her parents Evans and Annette Joynt, sister Annette, her husband Alfred, sons Francis, Alfred and Reginald, and daughters Hilda and Annette. Born in Hammersmith Middlesex
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 54)
13 Lyham Road, Brixton, London, England6
married wife working as a sick and monthly nurse and living in a shared house of four rooms with her husband Alfred and daughter Hilda. Born in Hammersmith London
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 50)
Glenvere, Hawthorn Road, Carshalton, Surrey, England10
married wife's mother living in six rooms with her daughter Annette, grandson Denis, and granddaughter Criena. Born in Hammersmith London and married for thity-one years with five children, all of whom are still living
Census:
29 Sep 1939 (age 79)
Elencot, Charlmead, East Wittering, West Sussex, England11
a widow doing unpaid domestic duties living with her married daughter Hilda Elen,, married granddaughter Iris, greatgrandson Michael Tully and two closed records. Born on 24th December 1861
Death:
10 Aug 1943 (age 83)
Probate:
30 Sep 1943
Probate Registry, Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales15
a widow of 92 Englewood Road Balham London died 10th August 1943 at The Grange Nursing Home Morden Surrey, probate of effects of £892 5s (~£33,000 in 2017) to Francis Evan Elgar printers clerk and Hilda Mary Elen (wife of Clarence Adolphus Elen)
Name:
Sex:
Male
Spouse (1):
Spouse (2):
Occupation:
Birth:
19 Dec 1880
Baptism:
30 Jan 1881 (age 0)
Our Immaculate Lady of Victories Church, Clapham Park Road, Clapham, Surrey, England17
son of Alfred Evan Elagar and Eva Rose Elgar of Cedars Row, god mother Annette Augusta Joynt
Census:
3 Apr 1881 (age 3 mns)
Wine Stores, 11 Cedar Row, Clapham, Surrey, England4
grandson living with his grandparents Evan and Annette Joynt, aunt Annette Joynt, his parents Evan and Eva, and a servant. Born in Clapham Surrey
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 10)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
lodgers son attending school and living with his grandparents Evans and Annette Joynt, aunt Annette, his parents Alfred and Eva, brothers Alfred and Reginald, and sisters Hilda and Annette. Born in Clapham Surrey
Military Service:
frm 15 Feb 1901 to 19 Sep 1901 (age 20)
Duke of Cambridge Own Regiment as private:733 then the Imperial Yoemanry as no:3478419
he was traveller being 5' 7" tall, weighing 133lbs with a chest of 34" expanding to 35", a fair complexion, blue eyes and dark hair. He served in South Africa from 9th March to 12th September 1901, but was discharged as unlikely to become an efficient soldier
Census absence:
31 Mar 1901 (age 20)
as he was serving with the Army in South Africa
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 29)
7 Keyford Terrace, Frome, Somerset, England20
a widower working as a printers clerk and living in five rooms with the widowed Sarah Jones and her daughter Gertrude. Born in London
Census:
29 Sep 1939 (age 58)
28 Nunney Road, Frome, Somerset, England21
a married printers estimating clerk and a special constable living with his wife Florence and son Kenneth. Born on 19th December 1880
Administrator:
30 Sep 1943 (age 62)
Francis Evan Elgar was appointed as an administrator at the probate hearing of Eva Rose Joynt on Thursday on 30 September 1943 at the Probate Registry, Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Death:
20 Feb 1967 (age 86)
Probate:
26 Jul 1967
Probate Registry, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England22
of 28 Nunney Road Frome Somerset died 20th February 1967, probate of £13,583 (~£224,000 in 2017) to Francis James Elgar schoolmaster and Kenneth Alfred Elgar printers reader
Name:
Hilda Mary Elgar23
Sex:
Female
Spouse:
Birth:
14 Feb 1882
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 9)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
lodgers daughter attending school and living with her grandparents Evans and Annette Joynt, aunt Annette, her parents Alfred and Eva, brothers Francis, Alfred and Reginald, and sister Annette. Born in Battersea Surrey
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 19)
13 Lyham Road, Brixton, London, England6
unmarried daughter living in a shared house of four rooms with her parents Alfred and Eva. Born in Battersea London
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 29)
92 Englewood Road, Clapham, London, England7
married daughter living in seven rooms with her father-in-law Alfred Elen, brother Alfred, her husband Clarence and daughter Iris. Born in Battersea and married for eight years
Census:
29 Sep 1939 (age 57)
Elencot, Charlmead, East Wittering, West Sussex, England11
married doing unpaid domestic duties living with her widowed mother Eva, married daughter Iris, grandson Michael Tully and two closed records. Born on 14th February 1882
Administrator:
30 Sep 1943 (age 61)
Hilda Mary Elgar was appointed as an administrator at the probate hearing of Eva Rose Joynt on Thursday on 30 September 1943 at the Probate Registry, Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Death:
Q1 1977 (age 94-95)
Chichester "Registration District", West Sussex, England24
Name:
Annette Eva Lillian Elgar25
Sex:
Female
Spouse:
Occupation:
teacher26
Birth:
29 Nov 1883
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 7)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
lodgers daughter attending school and living with her grandparents Evans and Annette Joynt, aunt Annette, her parents Alfred and Eva, brothers Francis, Alfred and Reginald, and sister Hilda. Born in Clapham Surrey
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 17)
The Convent of Notre Dame, St. Georges Road, Waterloo, London, England26
an unmarried pupil teacher as Lillian Annette Elgar. Born in Surrey London
Godparent:
28 Aug 1904 (age 20)
Annette Eva Lillian Elgar stood as godparent at the baptism of Iris Maria Elen on 28 August 1904 in Sacred Heart of Jesus Church, Knatchbull Road, Camberwell, Surrey, England
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 27)
Glenvere, Hawthorn Road, Carshalton, Surrey, England10
married head of the household living in six rooms with son Denis, daughter Criena, and her mother Eva. Born in Clapham London and married for three years with two children, both of whom are still living
Administrator:
2 Nov 1927 (age 43)
Annette Eva Lillian Elgar was appointed as an administrator at the probate hearing of Joseph Michael McCrudden on Wednesday on 2 November 1927 at the Probate Registry, London, England
Census:
29 Sep 1939 (age 55)
1 Copse Hill, Merton, Surrey, England27
widowed and living on private means with daughters Criena and Moira, son Brendan and a closed record (presumably daughter Patricia). Born on 29th November 1883
Death:
22 Jul 1961 (age 77)
St. Anthonys Hospital, London Road, North Cheam, Surrey, England28 29
Probate:
30 Oct 1961
Probate Registry, London, England29
a widow of 18 Oakhill Court Edge Hill Wimbledon Surrey died 22nd July 1961 at St. Anthonys Hospital Cheam Surrey, probate of effects of £8,645 3s (~£175,000 in 2017) to Criena Mary Burge married woman and Bernard Joseph Potter solicitor
Name:
Alfred Edward Elgar30
Sex:
Male
Spouse:
Occupation:
clerk7
Birth:
24 Dec 1885
Royal Navy service record says born on 24th December 1886
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 5)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
lodgers son attending school and living with his grandparents Evans and Annette Joynt, aunt Annette, his parents Alfred and Eva, brothers Francis and Reginald, and sisters Hilda and Annette. Born in Battersea Surrey
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 15)
Xaverian Brothers School (Roman Catholic), Pennybridge, Mayfield, Sussex, England31
a boarder at school with his brother Reginald, born in London
Military Service:
frm 10 Aug 1903 to 23 Jul 1908 (age 17-22)
Royal Navy as a Boy then a 3rd Writer (looks after HR matters) no:22750832
he was 5' 3" tall with brown hair, blue eyes, a fresh complexion and had a cross with four dots on his left arm and was discharged due to intentional laziness desiring his discharge. He was born on 24th December 1886 in Battersea London and worked as a clerk
Census:
2 Apr 1911 (age 25)
92 Englewood Road, Clapham, London, England7
unmarried son working as a clerk and living in seven rooms with his father Alfred, brother-in-law Clarence Adolphe Elen, sister Hilda Mary and niece Iris. Born in Battersea
Employment:
frm Sep 1913 to Sep 1914 (age 27-28)
West Africa
as a District Agent
Military Service:
11 Dec 1914 (age 28)
Royal Army Service Corps 12th Siege Brigade (Mechanical Transport) as no:M//2/02183133
a lorry driver being 5' 3" tall, weighed 124 lbs with a chest of 36" and expansion of 4" and had a large number of tattoos including a wreath of flowers round his neck, and all over his arms. He was wounded on 30th August 1918 with gunshot wounds to his head, right hand and both legs. On discharge he intended to emigrate to New Zealand to join his brother
Medals:
1920 (app)33
1914/15 Star, British War and Victory medals
Emigration:
bef 1928 (age 42-43)
to Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand34
Death:
5 Oct 1966 (age 80)
Name:
Reginald Davenport Elgar37
Sex:
Male
Spouse:
Birth:
21 Jun 1889
Baptism:
30 Jun 1889 (age 0)
Clapham, London, England36
Census:
5 Apr 1891 (age 1)
43 Fernlea Road, Balham, London, England5
lodgers son living with his grandparents Evans and Annette Joynt, aunt Annette, his parents Alfred and Eva, brothers Francis and Alfred, and sisters Hilda and Annette. Born in Clapham Surrey
Census:
31 Mar 1901 (age 11)
Xaverian Brothers School (Roman Catholic), Pennybridge, Mayfield, Sussex, England31
a boarder at school with his brother Alfred, born in London
Emigration:
16 Oct 1909 (age 20)
from London, England to Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand38
on the Papanui. He was described as a clerk
Military Service:
1914 (age 24-25)
New Zealand Army Corps as private 5/24 as part of the New Zealand Expeditionary Force39
of 1 Lombard Street Balmerston North, father A Elgar 92 England Road Clapham London S.W.
Military Service:
1916 (age 26-27)
New Zealnd Mounted Rifles Brigade as corporal no:1256440
father A Elgar 92 Englewood Road Clapaham London S England
Death:
14 May 1967 (age 77)
Marton, Manawatu-Wanganui, New Zealand41
of Tutaenui, a retired farmer
Burial:
May 1967
Public Cemetery, Marton, Manawatu-Wanganui, New Zealand42
beloved husband to Barbara Jean Elgar, died 14th May 1967, aged 77 years
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Anthony Elgar personal communication. email dated 2nd August 2022, filed under Alfred Elgar. Cit. Date: 2 August 2022.
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Ancestry New Zealand Cemetery Records 1800-2007, (on-line at www.ancestry.co.uk). Wanganui, Rangitikei Marton page:39 entry:1315. Cit. Date: 10 March 2020.
Ibid. Wanganui, Rangitikei Marton Public Cemetery page:42 entry:763. Cit. Date: 10 March 2020.